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Annie's avatar

Wow, my head is spinning!

Julie Chenell's avatar

Yea it's a lot!

Victor Hugo's avatar

You said: "𝐴 𝑛𝑒𝑀 β„Žπ‘’π‘Žπ‘£π‘’π‘› π‘Žπ‘›π‘‘ 𝑛𝑒𝑀 πΈπ‘Žπ‘Ÿπ‘‘β„Ž 𝑖𝑠 π‘π‘Ÿπ‘’π‘Žπ‘‘π‘’π‘‘ π‘Žπ‘›π‘‘ πΊπ‘œπ‘‘ 𝑑𝑀𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑠 π‘€π‘–π‘‘β„Ž 𝐻𝑖𝑠 π‘π‘’π‘œπ‘π‘™π‘’ π‘“π‘œπ‘Ÿπ‘’π‘£π‘’π‘Ÿ."

I don't know if you meant toss the present creation in the trash and new in the sense of starting all over. :)

I argue new is meant, not trashing the present creation, but new in the sense of continuity by transfiguring the present creation. The same world that’s been groaning under corruption gets freed and restored (Romans 8).

I recommend "The New Creation Model: A Paradigm for Discovering God's Restoration Purposes from Creation to New Creation" by Michael Vlach.

Dr. Alan Kurschner recommended it. :)

Jennifer Hacker's avatar

Very interesting thoughts Julie - Thank you for sharing them in such detail πŸ™

Have you read Max Lucado's new book "What Happens Next"? If not, I think you might really like it. Just FYI πŸ€“

Katie Jacobsen's avatar

Dan McClellan is a biblical scholar and I really appreciate his perspective on this. https://youtu.be/tvgnjq9hhNM?si=f5V_qG0uVCUCa7Z6

As someone who spent 35 years in an end times religion I cannot imagine voluntarily taking up end times thinking nor introducing it to a child.

"If you don’t take a young Earth position"

Are you there yourself?

Victor Hugo's avatar

Hi Katie.

Dan McClellan is a Mormon. Which means he’s working from a different theological system that contradicts core doctrines of historic Christianity.

I watched his video and there are 7 major problems with his view.

Here's 1 out of 6 for starters.

If he can’t even start with the right genres of Revelation, everything else he builds on it collapses before we get to chapter 1 verse 4.

1. He treats Revelation like fan fiction and ignoring that Revelation is not just β€œapocalyptic literature.”

It’s a hybrid of 3 genres:

a. Epistle: It wasn't written to imaginary audiences. The 7 churches were in real cities, confirmed by history and archaeology. You can literally walk the ruins of Ephesus, Sardis, Pergamum, Laodicea, etc. today. Revelation 1:4; Revelation 1:11; Revelation 2–3

b. Prophecy: Revelation isn’t just apocalyptic. It’s prophecy, meaning it's both forthtelling (God’s message) and foretelling (future literal events that will come to pass) in Revelation 1:1; Revelation 1:3; Revelation 22:18–19.

c. Apocalyptic: Reducing Revelation to only β€œapocalyptic literature” is like calling the Gospels β€œparables” (a sub-genre) and ignoring that it's actually ancient biographies with sub-genres.

So apocalyptic writing is a genre (not a meaning), a style of writing that uses symbols and images. But, it doesn't follow that it equal to pure symbolism with no future literal fulfillment because it's also an epistle and prophecy.